better than 170,000 jobs added to the economy. unemployment rate at 7.9%. back with us is jack welch who might quibble with that rate in and about the last time, but still don't necessarily buy these numbers. >> neil, look, the real unemployment rate, if you take the last ten years prior to the 2009 recession, the 10-year average of let's call it the participation rate, how many people are working temporarily, full-time, and you take that number and take the ten year average and ran it now, work for us, you would have an unemployment rate close to 11% and that's what the real unemployment rate that people are feeling out there, not discouraged workers walked away all that stuff, but that's the real rate. now, this number of 7.8, that popped in the other day just didn't make any sense, i mean, you had a number that suddenly had more people added since ronald reagan's biggest month in june of '83 in september. that didn't-- >> so, apparently you were questioning the math? >> i was question the methodology, to go out. >> neil: gotcha